diver Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 17 hours ago, diver said: Sorry I was slow getting back to you with response. Physically, brother and SIL are doing fine. He's complaining that he's not sure when his employer will allow him to return to work now that he has the "stigma" of having been tested positive. It will be at least another two weeks before any large manufacturing industry will resume operations, so he's not really carrying a burden in that regard at this point. He is going a bit stir-crazy confined to the house for weeks. Added info for bigger picture understanding: The social gathering my brother attended numbered about a dozen guests. Everyone present developed symptoms. All have recovered. None required hospitalization. All cases resembled a mild to moderate flu. kswift and Foxx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmeadow Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, diver said: Added info for bigger picture understanding: The social gathering my brother attended numbered about a dozen guests. Everyone present developed symptoms. All have recovered. None required hospitalization. All cases resembled a mild to moderate flu. That's very good to hear. kswift 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just came across an article (chasing down other information) and it appears that I am not alone in thinking I had the coronavirus in early Feb. A few here know that I was pretty sick during the beginning of February. I had a dry cough (so bad that i ripped the lower intestinal muscle wall), what I thought was a collapsed lung, coughing up blood, gastronomical pains that were so severe, they caused me to cry out in pain, shortness of breath, pretty much all the symptoms they say are associated with it. The one symptom I may have had but didn't notice due to all the ones I was experiencing was the fever. It was because of that lack of fever that I kind of discounted that I had it. However, after reading this article, I am now convinced I had some version of it. Of course, without having bloodwork done, I will never really know. What I do know for a fact though is I have never been that sick in my life, it wasn't fun. Fact check: Could your December cough actually have been coronavirus? Experts say more research is needed Romans828IsTrue, justamom, easy and 5 others 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 wow Foxx....betting you are completely correct. No one else in your family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, gigi said: wow Foxx....betting you are completely correct. No one else in your family? No Gigi, thankfully not. All my life, the only way I could get sick is if I was around small children that were sick. You could put me in a room with 00 adults, all sick with the flu and I would not have even the slightest fear of catching it. This last time was no different. Went to my nephews birthday 6th party and could tell he was sick about halfway through. I don't get to see him that often so I make sure to play with him quite a bit. DDMc, LP and easy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Actually @gigi, thinking about it further, let me take that back. My brother and his entire family were sick somewhere in that time frame as well. Will have to check in with them to see what their symptoms were exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 @Foxx out of curiosity, when you're well, is your temperature typically normal or sub normal? I was surprised when my DIL was describing her symptoms and she, like me, never had a temp and that she was also sub normal. Just wondering if normal body temp plays a role in severity of symptoms when infected. Foxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmeadow Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 i went looking to see if we have had a normal respiratory disease year for the 2019-2020 winter. We have had a worse than usual year but not wildly out of proportion to other years. This has a chart from the CDC on the US cases of Influenza like illnesses. Basically anyone who shows up to the doctor with flu like symptoms or pneumonia. They do not have to be tested to be included in the data. All pneumonia deaths are assumed to have started with the flu but are not tested. That is how we have such high "flu" deaths. Per John Rappaport when people with flu like symptoms are tested on average 12-17% actually have influenza. But for our purposes it does show respiratory illness with flu like symptoms. if we average in the summer months with the winter months the average rate of flu like symptoms is 2.4%. This year it is 6.4%. The red line shows the 2019-2020 winter season. There are two peaks and now we are moving into a third peak which is probably the coronavirus. ( see the last chart) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm I looked locally for what respiratory illness stats in OR. In Dec or Jan I remember a case being in the news here of a teenager getting suddenly sick and dying of the flu in the hospital. This does happen from time to time so i thought it was sad but didn't think much more about it. At work it seems a good portion of the staff got sick Dec - Jan. So I looked up charts for respiratory illness in Oregon. https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/COMMUNICABLEDISEASE/DISEASESURVEILLANCEDATA/INFLUENZA/Documents/data/FluBites.pdf It shows a peak in late Dec and a second peak now in March. They weren't testing for coronavirus in Dec. The first graph with two peaks for the winter of 2019-2020 does not look like any other year. The people here seem to be getting tested for influenza A and B to rule it out first and then tested for the coronavirus. The second graph shows that Influenza B peaked in Dec, Then more Influenza A cases started showing up . All Influenza cases seem to be dropping off in March. This article says that Flu cases were higher than usual in 36 states in Dec 2019 In Oregon " More than 120 Oregonians were hospitalized for flu-related ailments the week ending Dec. 23. That’s up from 85 cases the week prior." https://willamettevalleymedical.com/the-flu-hits-oregon-hard/ This article says peak flu activity in the US is usually in Feb. https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/29/flu-season-early/990271001/ DDMc, easy and Foxx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, LP said: @Foxx out of curiosity, when you're well, is your temperature typically normal or sub normal? I was surprised when my DIL was describing her symptoms and she, like me, never had a temp and that she was also sub normal. Just wondering if normal body temp plays a role in severity of symptoms when infected. LP, it is interesting you raise this issue. In the last week or so, I have become aware of new research that indicates our standard normal body temperature id falling. To my understanding and I assume others as well, it was known that the human body temp was 98.6, right? Well, new research shows that that is no longer the case, it has been falling for some time and now the standard normal is considered to be 97.5. That is more than a whole degree Fahrenheit. Perhaps we are all slowly turning into lizards Time to redefine normal body temperature? To answer your question directly, I do not know what my temperature is to be honest. I don't do pills of any sort here and I am almost never sick. Even if I do get sick, my belief has always been the best medicine is to work it out of yourself. Something about sweating it out, I dunno. As a result, we don't own a thermometer. justamom, easy and DDMc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: LP, it is interesting you raise this issue. In the last week or so, I have become aware of new research that indicates our standard normal body temperature id falling. To my understanding and I assume others as well, it was known that the human body temp was 98.6, right? Well, new research shows that that is no longer the case, it has been falling for some time and now the standard normal is considered to be 97.5. That is more than a whole degree Fahrenheit. Perhaps we are all slowly turning into lizards Time to redefine normal body temperature? To answer your question directly, I do not know what my temperature is to be honest. I don't do pills of any sort here and I am almost never sick. Even if I do get sick, my belief has always been the best medicine is to work it out of yourself. Something about sweating it out, I dunno. As a result, we don't own a thermometer. Foxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 we are all showing 97.5 when I take daily temps on everyone... LP, easy and Foxx 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, gigi said: we are all showing 97.5 when I take daily temps on everyone... Thank you for the affirmation, Gigi. I would be curious what @Greenmeadow sees in her line of work. Might it be that ill and infirm patients run higher temps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmeadow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, Foxx said: Thank you for the affirmation, Gigi. I would be curious what @Greenmeadow sees in her line of work. Might it be that ill and infirm patients run higher temps? Seniors commonly have low normal temps temps as well, especially if they have thyroid issues. We typically measure each persons temperature to find their norm. If their norm is low rising up to "normal" is a fever. My temps have run low all my life. One of the guys who lived in China for awhile said that he thought Westerners have slow metabolisms. That is why they get fat and have lower temps. he says the Chinese people tend to stay skinnier, have high metabolisms and run hotter than Westerners. I think your metabolism is related to your muscle mass. Seniors lose a lot of muscle mass. Metabolism normally slows with age as well. One of the things we do is teach seniors to monitor their own vital signs. What is their blood pressure, pulse, O2 stats, weight etc? Especially those with heart disease sudden weight gain 2-5 lbs is a pre sign that something is wrong. Your heart is your sump pump. If it is not working well your body collects fluid around the heart and lungs and puts pressure on the lungs. It also collects fluid in the feet and legs. But the main concern is around the lungs. That is why someone in heart failure will have trouble breathing. This is why people go on water pills. If their 02 saturation stay below 88 they need to wear their oxygen. It will commonly go down with activity and then recover with sitting. I really recommend people start charting their vital signs for awhile to know what your normal is. A pulse oximeter goes on your finger and measures your oxygen saturation and pulse. If you are going to get one thing to measure your vitals I would get this one. The dropping 02 is when you know you need medical help vs staying home and letting it work itself out. Normal 02 for a healthy adult is above 95. At 88 is when they start thinking about putting people on 02. 70-60 you need absolutely need to be on 02 and are at the point of damage happening to the brain and organs. A normal pulse is 60-100. Athletes with strong hearts may go down to 40. If you are under stress from emotions or illness it will go up. Just know what your normal is. An elevated pulse while you are relaxing watching TV says your body is fighting something. Blood pressure also can go up with stress or illness. Know your normal. A dropping blood pressure that they cannot bring up with fluids is a sign of sepsis ( total body infection). Clif also seems to think that the people collapse is from sudden drops in blood pressure. Normal healthy is less than 120 over less than 80. (120-/80-.) Crisis hypertension is higher than 180 over higher than 120. (180+/120+). That means you could be having a stroke. Getting meds and treatment on board as fast as possible reduces the lasting damage of a stroke. LP, easy, justamom and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDMc Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 About 30 yrs ago I plotted my basal temp variation (1st thing in the morning) to figure out when I was ovulating since we wanted to get pregnant. It worked well. I wanted to provide the best start I could for any kid we had, & so watched my nutrition & alcohol then. I didn't want just wait around, hit or miss, while avoiding alcohol the whole time. If there's actually a kid involved, I'm all in; hence the targeted temp monitoring. (I'm an engineer - I plotted it on Lotus 1-2-3). Greenmeadow, Foxx and jsalamat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsbarbow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I had what I considered to be the old-fashioned flu in early February for 2 weeks. Timing- wise, I guess it could be COVID, but I only had a few of the symptoms fever(87.9%), dry cough (67.7%), fatigue (38.1%), and thankfully, even though we weren't that careful, my husband didn't get it. My friend has several CV positive family members (2 confirmed out of 7 sibs and also a brother in law and niece). They have regular family updates on how it's going. Her retired ER doc brother and her RN sister both commented about how strange it is because the symptoms aren't consistent among the victims. easy, Greenmeadow and Foxx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giuseppe Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Foxx said: Just came across an article (chasing down other information) and it appears that I am not alone in thinking I had the coronavirus in early Feb. A few here know that I was pretty sick during the beginning of February. I had a dry cough (so bad that i ripped the lower intestinal muscle wall), what I thought was a collapsed lung, coughing up blood, gastronomical pains that were so severe, they caused me to cry out in pain, shortness of breath, pretty much all the symptoms they say are associated with it. The one symptom I may have had but didn't notice due to all the ones I was experiencing was the fever. It was because of that lack of fever that I kind of discounted that I had it. However, after reading this article, I am now convinced I had some version of it. Of course, without having bloodwork done, I will never really know. What I do know for a fact though is I have never been that sick in my life, it wasn't fun. Fact check: Could your December cough actually have been coronavirus? Experts say more research is needed Yes I agree, this virus swept through New York, my work included, late January early February, everyone was sick! I proposed to my coworkers, that we had the virus already, many thought that might have been the case. easy, justamom and Foxx 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsbarbow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) Just met up with a neighbor on a walk today. Her sister in Warren Michigan was hospitalized and just yesterday they tested her and she was positive. She doesn't remember coming in contact with anyone with symptoms. My friend isn't certain about all the details because she's communicating through her brother-in-law (important reminder, make sure everyone you love signs a HIPPA form!) but she was told her sister was given the "Trump Medicine". In any case, she's feeling much better and is sitting up and able to text. She was given oxygen but didn't need a respirator. Thankfully... Edited April 1, 2020 by Larsbarbow Foxx, mkb, Fishcamp and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 A co-worker that works out of our office in Yuma told me this last week that he believes that he got the virus back in December. He said that he had all of the symptoms to include taste is different and sense of smell is much weaker than previously. He was out for 2 weeks and altho in great health and early 30s the actually thought he would die and was making sure that he had his affairs in order ( new baby this year). When he talked to the Drs. they just blew him off. I also spoke to a friend that talks to him and she stated that he did make some comments during the time that when she thought about it- was him staying good bye. DDMc, Greenmeadow, justamom and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDavid Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Anyone following the Trump Covid story? His breathing looked pretty labored when he walked up the stairs on his way back from the hospital. Never expected the President to catch the Corona virus. I guess that’s 2020 for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, McDavid said: Anyone following the Trump Covid story? His breathing looked pretty labored when he walked up the stairs on his way back from the hospital. Never expected the President to catch the Corona virus. I guess that’s 2020 for you. Over in the Trump thread under the Pop USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I was at Walmart yesterday, and they were social distancing the shopping carts. When I walked into the entrance foyer, about 12 shopping carts were available spaced approximately 6-feet on center. I laughingly asked the shopping cart attendant about it, and she seemed to nod, but she was wearing a mask, so I could not tell if she was laughing. I was wearing a mask, so she could not tell that I was laughing. I thought the whole scene was amusing, but I am sure the shopping carts were safe. Does anybody else consider this to be a masquerade? DaddyBob, Foxx, isis and 4 others 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwt Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, Buzzard said: Does anybody else consider this to be a masquerade? I consider it a massive fraud. Marti, Fishcamp and mkb 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBob Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Two of my children have had it in the last 2 weeks. One daughter tested positive. Nurse daughter went to help her and caught it. Both are fine now. DDMc, Foxx, Marti and 3 others 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 were they literally sick? or just tested positivie? bwt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBob Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, easy said: were they literally sick? or just tested positivie? Sick, but not terribly so. easy and bwt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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