Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 23 hours ago, Satyagraha said: While labels are, and long have been, a problem, it's particularly sad that so much of what I hear, and particularly here, sounds like it comes straight out of echo chamber dwellers. Yours truly, What many would probably call a "libtard." We are being played by what can quite accurately called, "the military-industrial-security state complex," as the tool kit of international oligarchs. I'm pretty sure you don't identify with the meme above your post that inspired this post(?). To be sure however, let me ask: Do you believe feelings should be more important than truth? Do you believe one should be deemed guilty before proven innocent? Do you believe in participation trophies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silyeone Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) Edited January 23, 2019 by silyeone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurand Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Feel free to start the thread. easy and silyeone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) All I wanted was a car and to go fishing. But when I flunked out of high school, my mom made me join the navy. That got me a security clearance and inside international state crime, made me a professional liar. I wasn't cut out to be a liar, as determined by my learning disorders. I was just never any good at it. And, I didn't have any chops when it came to reading between the lines in social intercourse. I actually wanted people to say what they meant, the whole brevity thing. When I looked to the representative democracy to represent me, I found too few truth tellers in the running. When I went through the data at hand, it was a landslide of information and disinformation. Because I hadn't learned how to learn by the books, I by way of elimination, fell back on hard and soft knocks. I had sucked up the national myths of Superman, 'truth, justice, and the American Way.' When I learned that Secord, Singlaub, North, and friends, were sending heroin into the states with their see eye eh brethren, Shackley and Clines, et. al., sewn up in dead GI's bodies into Edwards AFB, it made me crazy. It was soon after that that I discovered the conspiracy theorists first on the scene of the Kennedy assassinations were closer to believable than anything coming on the tube. So, I had to go to the search engines to find The End Of The World As We Know It. Yup, interesting times, all my lifetime, anyway. Born the year of the National Security Act and Roswell. Edited October 29, 2018 by Satyagraha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, silyeone said: I got a question with all the rhetoric about Liberal/Democratic machinations, where is the 2018 Republican/Conservative/Neo Con Madness thread? You would think mad and evil liberals would jump at the chance to stick it to enemy... Things that make you go hmmm..... I would venture a guess that there are two possible scenarios. One, they don't have any real ammunition or two, they don't really have any ammunition. I guess there's always the third alternative.... there is no such thing as evil liberals. silyeone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Foxx said: I'm pretty sure you don't identify with the meme above your post that inspired this post(?). To be sure however, let me ask: Do you believe feelings should be more important than truth? Do you believe one should be deemed guilty before proven innocent? Do you believe in participation trophies? I'm pretty sure I don't believe in knee jerking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Satyagraha said: I'm pretty sure I don't believe in knee jerking. and..... how does that answer my query? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giuseppe Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, silyeone said: I got a question with all the rhetoric about Liberal/Democratic machinations, where is the 2018 Republican/Conservative/Neo Con Madness thread? You would think mad and evil liberals would jump at the chance to stick it to enemy... Things that make you go hmmm..... I bounce from one TV provider to TV provider (verizon, and Cablevision), almost every 2 years. After the new installation, it takes me time to configure my TV sets around the house. Now I don’t watch much TV in general, so I am not one that is well informed of the latest blabber. But as I was placing channels in memory, I was forced to listen to the talking heads, I think I can say that TV, news and all, is a liberal tour de force of lies, and mind bending arguments. You say rhetoric, just turn on your TV, you have it all 24 hours a day, non stop. silyeone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) I'm pretty sure it answers the first one. I'm pretty sure it was itself a knee-jerk to ideological sniff tests, as that's what they smelled like to me. It's how the conservative side who wants to see itself as pure and innocent, and of course, the standard bearers of all that's good and just, will at the same time, say trust us to make sure the weak don't get crushed when we own the government. They let the government build them an infrastructure and then want to buy exclusive rights to its use. They make those who can't pay the enemy and build a police state which will work for which side, the strong or the weak? As someone wise once said, hippies make cops and cops make hippies. This is what all the labels do. And the trouble is, it is we who make the labels' meanings. We stake out our territory and the rest are either with us or against us. We do the job of the rulers for them. This, we must stop. The chances we succeed? You tell me. It don't look good. Edited October 29, 2018 by Satyagraha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Satyagraha said: I'm pretty sure it answers the first one. I'm pretty sure it was itself a knee-jerk to ideological sniff tests, as that's what they smelled like to me. It's how the conservative side who wants to see itself as pure and innocent, and of course, the standard bearers of all that's good and just, will at the same time, say trust us to make sure the weak don't get crushed when we own the government. They let the government build them an infrastructure and then want to buy exclusive rights to its use. They make those who can't pay the enemy and build a police state which will work for which side, the strong or the weak? As someone wise once said, hippies make cops and cops make hippies. This is what all the labels do. And the trouble is, it is we who make the labels' meanings. We stake out our territory and the rest are either with us or against us. We do the job of the rulers for them. This, we must stop. The chances we succeed? You tell me. It don't look good. Well, you took this to another level it would seem. I merely asked if you identified with certain items. Instead of answering directly you beat around the bush and took it off into the woods it would seem. I believe I got one answer, in that you don't believe that feelings should win over truth. As for the other two, if indeed you don't believe that one is guilty before proven innocent and you think that in a game of sport that there should be winners and losers not just participation trophies, then I would say to not let the meme I posted bother you because it obviously doesn't talk about you. If on the other hand you do subscribe to the madness of which that meme describes, I'm sorry. The madness has gone unchecked long enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 If I could distill my political issues to one, it's the corruption. The rest is in the divide and rule category, serving the corruptors. How can I fight corruption? Only by resisting being corrupted. It's not complicated at this level. silyeone and easy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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easy Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 from silyeone But I gotta say this site is a good microcosm for the macro. I do not support our system of government or our political apparatus. Because we are caught in the grips of political party affiliations and supporting of them, leaves no room for creativity, growth, and problem solving. We spin our wheels in place and dance to the tune of the piper. Makes us sitting ducks to me... my response.. lots of assumptions ...and judgements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 February will mark four years since I killed my satellite teevee. No regrets. silyeone and Foxx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 All this about "who's truth?" Well, that's undoubtedly a lie, eh? At least because it will appear differently from different perspectives. Foxx asked me about how I identified. This would begin our participation in divisions, which by the way, are all artificial. I like this quote: The discovery of truth is in the discernment of the false. You can know what is not. What is - you can only be. ~Nisargadatta Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, silyeone said: Can anyone jump in and answer these, or are they just for Satyagraha? Do you believe feelings should be more important than truth? Whose "truth"? If I get an intuitive feeling that goes against a generally excepted version of "truth," you betcha!! (I trust my intuition, explicitly!!) Do you believe one should be deemed guilty before proven innocent? Historical evidence states that many have been killed under the presumption of guilty before proven innocent. If you are interested in changing that, how about we change everything. Game? Do you believe in participation trophies? LMAOOO. Sorry, I found this very funny. It sounds so weak and "liberal" don't it? If we had a different society that respected each other. Then you would find many who do not want to participate at all! But when you make individuals participate and they expend energy the very least should be a cheap ass, no value trophy, no?? (I am treating myself to an early birthday present by participating in the discussions on the forum. I do not expect nor want a trophy. I am enjoying the exchange, that is my trophy. Ah, the simple things in life.) Thank you for the straightforwardness, Sily. Much appreciated. I would guess that your first response would be considered a basic question and one that libs would avoid because afterall, it is their version of truth that they would have all abide by. Truth is truth when you get down to it, Not my truth nor your truth nor their truth but just simply, truth. Now, is that truth always easily discernible.... certainly not in today's world. That however does not and should not change the premise. Again, you present a logical consideration to the second question. While true, history is littered with many examples of being guilty and having to prove ones innocence. That should not change the underlying truth that all men are created equal and have a right to a presumption of innocence over guilt. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to live in a world where a simple accusation would have me have to prove my innocence. If that were the norm, we would all be fucked (excuse my french). It may be outdated but I believe the competition of sport teaches some valuable lessons. Lessons that have made this nation great. I do understand where you are coming from and believe that in a certain future, you may be correct. Unfortunately, we do not yet live in that future. Finally, Happy Birthday! I hope you will be enjoying it. If I were allowed to make a wish on your birthday, it would be that you posted more. I thoroughly enjoy a good discussion. Posts such as yours invite that type of discussion. silyeone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, silyeone said: LMAOOO silyeone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Satyagraha said: All this about "who's truth?" Well, that's undoubtedly a lie, eh? At least because it will appear differently from different perspectives. Foxx asked me about how I identified. This would begin our participation in divisions, which by the way, are all artificial. I like this quote: The discovery of truth is in the discernment of the false. You can know what is not. What is - you can only be. ~Nisargadatta Maharaj Yep, I asked what you identified with. It was designed to understand where you stand. It really didn't achieve said objective though because you chose to be somewhat obtuse about it (by design?). Standing for something does not have to be the starting point for division, unless you want it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyagraha Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 If I said I stand for nothing, it would not likely be understood. If I said I identified as nothing, how could it be understood? It would have meant nothing to me until it became real for me. I don't know how to tell anyone my experience and its fallout, as words must fail. I will say it gave me, as this expression of mind might say, an appreciation that the Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The words have to have someplace to land. In a system of thought that pretends to know anything, they likely won't. Foxx and silyeone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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