* clif note September 2016 ALTA NWE

[amarynth]

Two things very interesting in report personally speaking. One is the silkworms that are not only silkworms. I have a friend that is a biologist. She is working on this right now. I'll give more info in the closed part of the forum.

 

The other is the new social structure that will develop in the Southern part of Mexico that is labelled anti-nation anti-state, for lack of better terms. I have seen the foreshadowing of that since the bunch of students were killed and this happening morphed into what is a true social movement. Watching this one with interest.

[Crazy Charlie]

I would love to meet an "ET" but it's also very likely I would keel over on the spot!

 

Just like the Big Guy in the Movie "Paul "

 

( except he peed his pants too ..)

 

if you have not seen it ,,, look for it .... fun imo ...

[Pneumo]

Yeah, it was a good movie. One of the few I've watched. Belly laugh stuff.

 

NWE. New World Emerging ?

 

"..GlobalPop is in the midst of transition between planets," Maybe they're going to force a part of GlobalPop to relocate to Mars. Simon Parkes touched on this in the interview that Cedar posted. Gary McKinnon's Uber ?

[Pneumo]

Email sent to clif

 

Hi clif

 

Much discussion about the first three letters of the September report over at the WBF. (Great report BTW, thanks to the team. Love the Aussie focus.)

 

My guess was New World Emerging.

 

Pray tell, please.

 

Best regards

 

Pneumo

 

 

Will advise if I get an answer.

 

Duh ! Sorry CCF. I didn't take note that you had already guessed it. You called it !

[jdurand]

Is it not that the earth's relative positioning in space is changing, and therefore our aspect to the planets? Don't know too much about all of this but this is what I thought of. (No doubt jd will set me on a correct path here).

 

As none of us know what the correct path is, I'll just pick a well worn one...

 

I have issues with Expando Earth and the Helical Solar System for several reasons. Lets start with gaining weight:

 

1) The Earth has been expanding from gathering up stuff since it was just a pebble. Many many tons of space dust, pebbles, and rocks fall to Earth every day. So, the planet has always been expanding but not because of a plasma core.

 

2) Earthquakes. The planet is now covered by seismographs and there's a large contingent of amateurs (many with their own equipment) who monitor the data along with the professionals. Using the shock waves from earthquakes the density and location of layers underground has been fairly accurately mapped. Plasma exists in a very rarefied state like the inside of a florescent tube. This would show up like a flashing light on a seismograph. Nobody that I know of has ever shown a seismograph that would indicate this.

 

On to Helical Solar System:

 

1) Navigation by sextant wouldn't work as it does now. All calculations are based on a heliocentric solar system with the planets mostly in a plane. The math to do this navigation was worked out way before electricity was invented and hasn't changed since. This indicates the heliocentric model is either correct or very very close.

 

2) Space navigation is done mostly by dead reckoning. This means you calculate where you need to be at a certain date and time, calculate your path and fire the engines to place you on that path at the right speed. The fact that various countries have been able to get to planets they were aiming at says the heliocentric math (public domain) is correct.

 

3) There are zillions of amateur astronomers in the world. They use heliocentric math to calculate where a star or planet will be. When they set up their telescope and dial in the numbers, they're looking at that planet or star. There are free star chart apps using open source code to calculate all this information for any time in the past or future. If even a little bit was wrong with the math it wouldn't work.

 

In conclusion:

Clif is not an astrophysicist or a geologist so these area are out of his field and he's warned about Monkey Mind playing tricks on you/him. There was and is quite a bit of writing out there claiming things like this, I'm currently working my way through a few of these technical books spanning the early 1900s through about 2000. While there are some things in there that I feel are worth further investigation, there are also many of these theories that start with some statement like "we know all grass is purple so..." Since from my observation grass isn't purple, that invalidates that discussion before it gets started. Filtering out the things that really have a chance of working is hard and requires knowledge of that field. I couldn't make any progress in Clif's field of linguistics since I haven't studied it and understandably he has trouble in fields that he hasn't studied in depth.

 

I think this all comes from our Monkey Mind leaping to conclusions while only seeing the surface or a small part of the problem. See the story of the Blind men and an Elephant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

[Greenmeadow]

How do you explain Neal Adams and the matching tectonic plates? It does seem to support expanding earth.

 

[Odinson]

I'm guessing, Long Island Linux Users Group.

 

Yup. It's a 20 +YO SOC I helped start. We've got rules but it's mostly to prevent hijack.

 

We've had bitcoin talks, 3d printing talks but this was our first open source genetics talk. There are no barriers to custom GMOs anymore. They are gone.

 

 

Our speaker made among other things, a tomato with a beef protein gene. He is working on a blue rose.

 

Someone is working on using inutero development as a foundation to revive create dinosaurs.

 

This is not aloof. I drove the dude home. Natch we chatted about civgene among other topics.

 

It's just brains and time now, just brains and time.

[jdurand]

How do you explain Neal Adams and the matching tectonic plates? It does seem to support expanding earth.

 

 

I watched the first part of the video, I noticed some morphing to make things fit. Actually, bending around a smaller and smaller ball required quite a bit of morphing as coastlines would shrink while the continent centers bowed up.

 

What would need to be done is back off the changes we know have happened and then try to fit THAT together.

 

Granted there are some issues with modern techtonic theory, but things like saying there is no subduction when the Cascade mountains are there FROM subduction is kind of silly. We can now measure movements in real time and see it happening. Tsunamis from subduction zones popping have been verified from multiple sources.

 

Also, in for example the USA, the desert area used to be a lot lower and under water but has risen over time. From his theory it would be exactly opposite (bigger planet stretching out the ground flatter).

 

One thing, there IS new water arriving all the time along with new dirt. Until recently it wasn't understood how it happens, but essentially the solar wind converts to water in, I believe, the ionosphere.

[ChiliCheeseFries]

Not that this is stopping ANYONE, but you DO recognize that biologicals MULTIPLY. Unlike radiologicals, which decay over time. The potential negatives for f!cking with MoNat are quite high. and they spread, sometimes rapidly. "Alien species" coming from existing locales transplanted to areas where they are non-native is a bad, bad thing for the ecology.

 

"Shut it down! It eats energy. If you bomb it, it will mutate into a million different forms and we will NEVER be rid of it!!" - The Andromeda Strain

 

Dear God! I see stupid people everywhere!

[Buzzard]

...

On to Helical Solar System:

....

 

It is all about frame of reference. If the observer is standing on the Sun, it appears the planets are orbiting the Sun.

 

BUT, if the observer is outside of the solar system watching the Sun zoom along, then the planets appear to be orbiting in a vortex pattern.

This is my favorite illustration of the planets' orbits. The scale is exaggerated for illustrative purposes. In reality, the planets are much closer to each other, and much closer to the Sun. But, the concept is very clearly shown in the video.

[mhr]

As none of us know what the correct path is, I'll just pick a well worn one...

 

I have issues with Expando Earth and the Helical Solar System for several reasons. Lets start with gaining weight:

 

1) The Earth has been expanding from gathering up stuff since it was just a pebble. Many many tons of space dust, pebbles, and rocks fall to Earth every day. So, the planet has always been expanding but not because of a plasma core.

 

2) Earthquakes. The planet is now covered by seismographs and there's a large contingent of amateurs (many with their own equipment) who monitor the data along with the professionals. Using the shock waves from earthquakes the density and location of layers underground has been fairly accurately mapped. Plasma exists in a very rarefied state like the inside of a florescent tube. This would show up like a flashing light on a seismograph. Nobody that I know of has ever shown a seismograph that would indicate this.

 

On to Helical Solar System:

 

1) Navigation by sextant wouldn't work as it does now. All calculations are based on a heliocentric solar system with the planets mostly in a plane. The math to do this navigation was worked out way before electricity was invented and hasn't changed since. This indicates the heliocentric model is either correct or very very close.

 

2) Space navigation is done mostly by dead reckoning. This means you calculate where you need to be at a certain date and time, calculate your path and fire the engines to place you on that path at the right speed. The fact that various countries have been able to get to planets they were aiming at says the heliocentric math (public domain) is correct.

 

3) There are zillions of amateur astronomers in the world. They use heliocentric math to calculate where a star or planet will be. When they set up their telescope and dial in the numbers, they're looking at that planet or star. There are free star chart apps using open source code to calculate all this information for any time in the past or future. If even a little bit was wrong with the math it wouldn't work.

 

In conclusion:

Clif is not an astrophysicist or a geologist so these area are out of his field and he's warned about Monkey Mind playing tricks on you/him. There was and is quite a bit of writing out there claiming things like this, I'm currently working my way through a few of these technical books spanning the early 1900s through about 2000. While there are some things in there that I feel are worth further investigation, there are also many of these theories that start with some statement like "we know all grass is purple so..." Since from my observation grass isn't purple, that invalidates that discussion before it gets started. Filtering out the things that really have a chance of working is hard and requires knowledge of that field. I couldn't make any progress in Clif's field of linguistics since I haven't studied it and understandably he has trouble in fields that he hasn't studied in depth.

 

I think this all comes from our Monkey Mind leaping to conclusions while only seeing the surface or a small part of the problem. See the story of the Blind men and an Elephant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

 

Agreed

[amarynth]

As none of us know what the correct path is, I'll just pick a well worn one...

 

 

Thanks JD. I'll noodle some. At least I've sailed a lot, so a sextant and dead reckoning (not in space, on the ocean) is not completely outside the scope of the knowledge base here but knowing how to reckon and understanding what you are reckoning is surely different things in my head. In the Mayan world they used astronomical orientation in the construction of buildings, like observatories. Mostly these were aligned to the seasons, the rains and the big and little gods and so on and it is said that the Mayan priest class knew the various skies off by heart. As far as I know, and having scrambled through some of the old buildings and high holy places, the planets, the skies, the moon and sun are still in place where it was in that time when they constructed for those specific alignments. It is almost like the flat earth stuff that is going around. All very very confusing! WhereamI? Gotto go and listen to Equanimity's work again.

[Greenmeadow]

JD I also have a problem with the idea that there is no subduction zone. In general I think old theories tend to be incomplete and are wrong at times. So I always entertain new ideas. But not being an engineer I get that I can miss essential details.

[Buzzard]

....Expando Earth....

 

The Expando Earth theory is a tangential theory to the electric universe. And, the best place to start is with the Earth's magnetic poles.

 

The Earth has a magnetic field. There are only two types of magnetic fields: (1) permanent-magnet magnetic fields, and (2) electric current magnetic fields. The core of the Earth is believed to be either liquid iron or plasma. Neither Liquid iron nor plasma can be made into a permanent magnet. Therefore, the Earth's magnetic field must be caused by an electric current running through the Earth.

 

Occasionally, the Sun erupts with megatons of plasma. Plasma is regular matter that is so electrically charged that it is just a scramble of energy. This plasma sometimes gets caught in the Earth's magnetic field, and is brought to Earth. What happens to the plasma then? We don't know.

 

Clif's theory is that the plasma is drawn into the Earth's core, and solidifies into regular matter. Sometimes it solidifies into water, sometimes oil, and sometimes magma. Who knows if that theory is correct? Clif's theory is far better than the b.s. I was taught in grade school, which was that there was a giant permanent magnet at the center of the Earth.

[jdurand]

It is all about frame of reference. If the observer is standing on the Sun, it appears the planets are orbiting the Sun.

 

BUT, if the observer is outside of the solar system watching the Sun zoom along, then the planets appear to be orbiting in a vortex pattern.

This is my favorite illustration of the planets' orbits. The scale is exaggerated for illustrative purposes. In reality, the planets are much closer to each other, and much closer to the Sun. But, the concept is very clearly shown in the video.

 

You sort of wrapped it up with your statement that they are in-line if you travel with the sun's reference plane. They will also be in line from the reference plane of any planet in that system or any other reference plane. They will also STILL be in line even in his video if you look at it frame by frame. IGNORE the smoke trails, just look at where they are.

 

What you see is a spiral trail of the planet's movement plotted against a reference plane. View this photo of an airplane who's propeller is making a contrail.

 

Note the spiral shape. Does that mean the blade tips are trailing behind the hub? Of course not, the plane is moving forward in moist air and leaving a stationary (relatively) trail of where the propeller has been.

 

Drawing a trail of where something has been can be useful in visualizing movement as long as you understand that the trail is a sequence of moments in time. At any one moment in the above picture the propeller tips were in a straight line with the hub but if you plot their movement over time they are rotating AND moving forward which creates the spiral plot.

 

The videos of planets leaving spiral trails confuse the mind into thinking the planets were somewhere back on that trail while the sun pulled ahead. You need to freeze-frame every moment in time and look. {pause} all in a plane {play} making spiral {pause} still all in a plane.

 

It's hard to explain if you haven't done 3D plotting and/or animation.

[equanimity]

Here's what's noodling in the back of my head: If the Earth is being pushed into a farther-out orbit, the length of the year will have to change commensurate with the longer time it takes for the Earth to get all the way around the Sun.

 

I'm only an observer of these things, but considering that "calendar reforms" are very obvious and can't be hidden or obfuscated (any error in calculation stacks up quickly and creates disorder in all the traditional holidays, etc.), it seems we haven't hit the point where they are having to announce that the traditional calendar is no longer correct.

 

History shows that during the so-called "time of Christ" (whenever that actually was, I'm not arguing about that here!), one of the biggest reasons why people thought that something HUGE was happening was because the Priesthoods had to shift from adding a single day every few years ("leap year"), to reflect a 365 day year instead of 360 days. You can't hide a change like that, it has to be announced to everybody and the whole society has to adjust around it.

 

I don't either "believe" or "disbelieve" in Clif's explanations, I'm just waiting for the day when they start telling us that this or that earth-changing event has actually changed the length of the day or the year. One second here or there doesn't impress me much.

[Sunnybug]

Not being any kind of good at math, a geologist or even particularly scientific I can not verify or deny anything. But having been around a few decades I've learned that the world is not black or white, this or that but usually something in between. So I try to keep an open mind, but really I have to wonder if there is a little truth to all of it. The planets do line up but we are wondering through the galaxy at some amazing 68000 mph?

The earth does grow I think that is pretty sure but it could be from inside and out both. (okay, the flat earth thing is really silly and I didn't even make it through one vid on that)

Not only that but everything is changing all the time. So I'm looking at everyone's questions and answers here and unfortunately find some merit to it all, but I don't think any of us have the real answer...only bits and pieces of it. Kinda hoping that the secrets that are revealed touch on some of the confusing things in the world. Clearly what we were taught in "school" was a whole lot of mushy hot bs with just enough truth to be confusing. There is so much still that doesn't make sense, it's like a puzzle with pieces missing. Finding those could be much of what leads to the "new electrics" and other good things we all hope to see in the future.

[equanimity]

I would add that this is the reason the folks in Moscow are trying to re-think our history in the light of astronomy. You can't have things like the parting of the Red Sea, or Moses' pillar of smoke and lightning leading the Jews through the desert, without realizing that there were major changes going on all over the globe at the same time. Either those are utterly made-up fairy tales, or else there has been a huge global change within our currently-remembered history. Sometime between when Gobekli Tepi was buried and when our current era of history began, we have had a huge, cataclysmic transition on the Earth that changed the length of the day, hence the month, and the year.

 

Actually, it had to happen AFTER the Babylonian astronomical system was put in place and had been accepted around the world (hence after the Phoenicians took the ephemeris to all their far-flung trading ports). Everything in our model of astronomy is set up to work with a 360-degree circle. It is the foundation of all our astronomical and calendrical models. The fact that we aren't in that world anymore is a huge "tell".

[amarynth]

Everything in our model of astronomy is set up to work with a 360-degree circle. It is the foundation of all our astronomical and calendrical models. The fact that we aren't in that world anymore is a huge "tell".

 

I'm not with you. We are not in that world anymore? 'Splain me please. What's happened to the circle?

[Sunnybug]

I'm not with you. We are not in that world anymore? 'Splain me please. What's happened to the circle?

 

Maybe the number of days in a year? - was 360 days but is now 365 but we still use the 360 number as a marker...??? Not sure, just guessing

[Foxx]

Working off the 'as above so below', macro/micro being the same, maxim ...

 

My question becomes, is the planatary model of the atom wrong as well?

 

 

And subsequently, if the solar system is flat, then the flat Earth meme must be true too!?

seems very odd to me that the solar system is flat...

[jdurand]

A lot of the old tales fit nicely with the Electric Universe (see Suspicious 0bservers for current information) and doesn't require strange bending of observed things to make it work.

 

As for 360 being the circle, it's just a number that was picked and the math built around it. You STILL use it to navigate on Earth or in space and to build things. The number of days in a year being close to 360 is probably where the original divisions of a circle came from, but isn't otherwise related. A year on Mars is 686.98 Earth solar days but driving around the planet will still cover 360 degrees of longitude.

[equanimity]

The circle is an abstract. Think it if as a pie chart. No matter how big you draw the circle, if you make a horizontal and a vertical, you have divided the pie into four. If you cut each quarter into three, you have a pie of 12 pieces. Doesn't matter if you are baking in a teacup, on a pizza pan, or on a slab the size of a roller rink. In each case, the circle is drawn and quartered, and then each piece is taken down to three sections.

 

That produces an ideal "world" of 12 segments or periods, which we have learned to call "months" because the cycle of the Moon is roughly coincidental with that length of time. (More inexactitude, am not going to bother you with that right now!)

 

Try to hold onto the idea of this as a model, rather than a perfect representation of reality. Using this model rather than any other (by dividing the pie into 12 equal slices rather than using any other divisor), we end up with a mathematics that works in whole numbers, rather than creating a bunch of fractions. This special quality makes a very sophisticated calculation into something even primitives can work with. After all, the bees do it, right?

 

Everything is measured in revolutions. One day is a single revolution of the Earth. One month is (roughly) one revolution of the Moon around the Earth. A year is one revolution of the Earth around the Sun. We are thinking in circles that wrap around to make cycles. The point is, how long does it take to get back to the point that you marked as your "start". It doesn't matter whether you are going around the edge of a plate on the dinner table, or trying to map the orbit of Pluto. Nor does it matter whether we are following a comet or holding still in "space" (the way we were taught to think in school). Small or large, this idealized circle is mapped with the magical number 360 because that's the outcome of the honeycomb mathematics the astronomers are working with, the sexugesimal math (based on 6 x 10).

 

Honeycomb has 6 sides. Each side then carries the symbolic value of 60 "units" (60 x 6 = 360). One twelfth of the whole is 30, here's where we get the idea of 30 degrees per "sign" (illustrated by the constellations our ancestors defined). Again, these are idealized circles, not concerned with scale, just with making pie slices that can be managed with the whole numbers created by the sexagesimal mathematics.

 

By this method, the Sun would be seen to move one degree per day around the Zodiac, and it would complete that cycle in 360 days. The "ideal" of the pure and perfect sexagesimal calculations matched the actual relationship between the sun and the earth at the time this was all set up. Over time the "ideal" 30-day month has had to flex and fatten up to match the actual time it now takes the Earth to get around the cycle.

 

 

This is how we know that the earth has grown and bumped out a bit from that earlier orbit. Now it takes the Earth 365 days to travel back to the "start" marker, meaning that we have meandered a little farther away from the Sun than we used to orbit. Clif is correct in this assumption of his, that a bigger earth means a slower, longer orbit. We are now out at the very edge of the pie pan instead of circling the inside edge where the bend is.

[jdurand]

Working off the 'as above so below', macro/micro being the same, maxim ...

 

My question becomes, is the planatary model of the atom wrong as well?

 

 

And subsequently, if the solar system is flat, then the flat Earth meme must be true too!?

seems very odd to me that the solar system is flat...

 

The model of the atom is a bit more complex than the balls flying around the center. Mainly, there aren't really any balls, just a waveform. The reason an atom doesn't line up in a plane is at that scale gravity is very very very weak and other forces take over which don't throw things into a line.

 

An excellent view of natural orbital plane formation is the rings of Saturn. Note the are flat and lined up with the equator. Gravity at work.

[SPace]

The Earth is definitely expanding, like ya'll stated by the tons of space dust that lands every day.

 

However, this is a long, slow, process. Nothing 'extraordinary' nor 'abrupt' will happen.

 

Also, only at the core of the Earth (and other large bodies) is the pressure sufficient to produce the matter from solar energy arriving every day, even though this is minute also, and a long slow process.

 

Remember that energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, just as mass equals energy divided by the speed of light squared.