WBF Monk Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 **Public Posting** A curious cold spot in the Atlantic has scientists thinking their worst fears have come true ...The answer may be simple, and it’s definitely sad. The cold spot in the Atlantic is likely a symptom of a problem climate scientists have been fearing for years. Record cold temps in this condensed area of the ocean suggests that the circulation of water currents in the Atlantic is slowing. Warm and cold water should be mixing to normalize water temperatures, but the currents are functioning the way they need to. They rely on differences in temperature and salinity, which basically means that cold salty water in the North Atlantic sinks (it’s really dense) and warmer southern waters move northward to take its place. When a large influx of cold, fresh water is introduced to the picture, the system goes haywire and the water circulation patterns are weakened because the sinking doesn’t occur. And where is the fresh water coming from? The melting glaciers, of course. If the trend continues, it could mean rising sea levels along the East Coast and a change in temperature for Europe and North America. Read the rest of the Article at the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Why does this remind me of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" ... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 me thinks that the underwater volcano activity is also playing a role in the deep sea currents and perhaps the area has become isolated. that's my one plausible theory and i'm sticking to it. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 There is another plausible theory being tossed out by webmaster Mike Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com on Pacific Ocean temps. Nobody knows how many volcano's are on the ocean floor. His theory is large activity from volcano's on the floor of the west side of the Pacific is warming the water. Which with his theory, leads to, or at minimum contribute, El Nino. He's foolish enough to have me on his safe list via email. I'll ask if he could re-post his thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emocmo Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 If you are wondering why the East Coast of the US has been spared hurricanes for the past few years...this may be part of the reason. Hurricanes cannot "live" in cold water like this. I am not a strong believer in human climate change, but I have been a student of global "geologic" changes that have happened over and again on this earth. All in all, it is going to balance out--one way or the other. I do not think humans are going to change that process. I think its a good idea to limit the crap we put into the environment, so please do not get me wrong. But like all tipping points in the world today...when it finally tips it will tip quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm with you emocmo. We the humans could defiantly do better on protecting the environment, but we aren't the root cause. About 10 yrs ago I gave a presentation to a room full of bank mucky mucks. I found a slide that showed all of the natural processes that humans have no control of; volcano's, methane gas vents, etc. Human input was essentially nothing in comparison. My favorite come back line, "From what I understand, the last major ice age of some 10,000 yrs ago came and went, while cave dweller humans were just discovering fire." al gore can put his hockey stick theory someplace else. The reaction is generally eyes pop open and the jaw drops, no verbal response. ---------------------------------------------- Anyway, I emailed Mike asking if he could "bump to the top" as he calls it, his thoughts on volcano's contributing to El Nino. He says his house gives him a view of Pearl Harbor, so he's up and busy early this morning. He gave this article: http://nypost.com/2015/09/01/this-years-el-nino-weather-pattern-could-be-strongest-on-record/ and these 2 pics Go to whatreallyhappened.com and scroll down looking for "bump to the top at reader request" for his description of his theory. ---------------------- I have a really good feeling about Mike. He's not corporate. He runs his website based on advertisers and donations. The one time I threw a little bone of donation, he went out of his way with a personal "thank you" email. Ended up a nice little chat. I really think he's one of the good guys. Top of his website he's got a list of opinion articles. I don't always agree with every word he types, but I think he's in the right direction. I can't handle his daily radio show. Think of Jim Willie when he gets really wound up .... that's Mike. But I love him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andromeda Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 If you are wondering why the East Coast of the US has been spared hurricanes for the past few years...this may be part of the reason. Hurricanes cannot "live" in cold water like this. I am not a strong believer in human climate change, but I have been a student of global "geologic" changes that have happened over and again on this earth. All in all, it is going to balance out--one way or the other. I do not think humans are going to change that process. I think its a good idea to limit the crap we put into the environment, so please do not get me wrong. But like all tipping points in the world today...when it finally tips it will tip quickly. The conveyor belt was damaged with the BP disaster caused by Blackwater. One of the reasons the weather went wacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The conveyor belt was damaged with the BP disaster caused by Blackwater. One of the reasons the weather went wacky. I agree with that. At the time it happened, I was able to pull up a website based on US Navy data of current flow from the GOM into the Atlantic conveyor belt. The crud made the turn at FL and was at the Carolina's in just a couple of weeks. Well go figure, that site was suddenly shut down for public view. The massive tons of Corexit were in the same flow loop of GOM into the Atlantic conveyor belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emocmo Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The conveyor belt was damaged with the BP disaster caused by Blackwater. One of the reasons the weather went wacky. I can see that line of thinking. However, I am still skeptical only because the oceans are HUGE compared to what we put into them. Did we put THAT much gunk into the oceans to the point where it would cause a change in direction? I've been in the middle of the Atlantic. Its big, deep, and blue. Can you point to any source materials that I could read. I find this stuff interesting--even though I am skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I can see that line of thinking. However, I am still skeptical only because the oceans are HUGE compared to what we put into them. Did we put THAT much gunk into the oceans to the point where it would cause a change in direction? I've been in the middle of the Atlantic. Its big, deep, and blue. Can you point to any source materials that I could read. I find this stuff interesting--even though I am skeptical. Highlighted what I agree with. Just my monkey mind at work ... ocean currents are a delicate balance. Atlantic or Pacific. Mother Nature goes through natural oscillations to maintain that balance. BP will never admit to how many gallons / barrels of oil dumped out of the GOM event. Because they don't really know. For awhile, they let the public see the live shots from the remote robo-cam of what was coming out of the well head. Well go figure, they shut off public access to those live feeds. How many tons of Corexit was dumped into the GOM? They'll never give us a true number. Or admit the nasty side effects of Corexit. With all of my bantering of "natural cycles" .... this is one topic I'll admit, "People F'd up the system of natural balance." Not you and me people that actually care about the environment. "Those" people that are more concerned about cash flow. "We kept the oil flowing. The rest is "collateral damage." To indirectly answer your question emocmo, just keep searching. There doesn't seem to be one simple answer. (why did I just suddenly have a flashback to"The X-Files") http://www.bing.com/search?q=north+atlantic+conveyor+belt+has+collapsed&qs=RI&pq=atlantic+conveyor+belt+&sk=AS2SC1&sc=8-23&sp=4&cvid=73237394a4b241779d6b1e5a67fa23cf&FORM=QBLH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurand Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Even a thin oil slick on water can drastically change the wind interacting with it and should also reduce evaporation. I could see that working both ways in that the waves and mixing/pushing of the current could change some as well as moisture for storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmeadow Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The movie the Day After Tomorrow had an ice age triggered by fresh water flowing into saline water. At delta's you see the devide were fresh, muddy water meets the salt water. I think they have different (weights, densities?) due to the salt content. So something like Corexit which keeps oil emulsified in water vs separating out could really effect a Jet stream. The West coast's of the UK have depended on that Jet stream for warmth. Scotland has had some record cold winters and summers in the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h v Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 As the movie presented it, a sudden influx of fresh water allows for easier evaporation. Shutting down the conveyor belt was a key part of what was presented. Overall, not looking good for weather patterns. Another movie that was trying to warn us of something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Since the BP Gulf oil spill (Deep Water Horizon spill), I have been going to this web site to check on the Gulf Stream. It seems like a scientific site, and so far the Gulf Stream is flowing normally. http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamar Woo Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ...Another movie that was trying to warn us of something? Well, in this case, go back to the novel that was the source for the movie: The Coming Global Superstorm, ISBN 0-671-04190-8, 1999, by Art Bell and Whitley Strieber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giuseppe Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Here is Martin Armstrong’s take: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37504 Unfortunately, this is not caused by man driving his cars to work. We are dealing with a very serious change in climate that is entirely natural. No amount of regulation or raising taxes, which academics and government will argue for, will reverse this trend for we did not create it. This is simply the result of a thermodynamic system we call the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry nadwodney Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Go back to sleep, everything is fine. The super storm is only possible if it gets warm enough above the Artic circle to grow spring flowers for migrating animals to eat.. To have a storm of that magnitude requires more heat and water vapor available than we have now. Plus various other intrusions like a dice roll. We are setting up for a mini ice age ,coupled with an economic down turn, and a population that has lost control of the basics...The one word that will describe our near future is Famine. After that the collapse that comes with a starving population. When the book came out, I bought a copy to tear the authors new hind ends. What they predict is possible, but like a combination lock, everything must fit and proceed to the next stage at the right time.. Stealing food was punished very harshly not that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Here is Martin Armstrong’s take: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37504 whether it is an artifact of nature and it's ever changing aspects, do not expect that to stop the government from using it to scare monger and add new taxes to an already taxed to death populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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